Logtar has suggested another deep thinking topic:
The last couple of years in WoW have changed the game quite a bit. While it is very easy to jump into the “elite” vs “casual” vs “noob” bandwagon type of discussion, what is causing it I think is a more interesting topic.
Do you guys think that the LFR and LFD kill the sense of community, but taking it one step further; does it also kill the passing down of knowledge?
I know I did learn a lot from reading the web, but even now I get tons of information from my guild. If I have a doubt, I ask the question and most of the time someone knows off the top of their head where an enchant is, or what the best glyph is, etc. I don’t take that community for granted, but it was built before there was a LFD. We are together because we did have to take the trek to the meeting stone. Now we have a button that 1 person uses and BAM we are all there. We know why that is cool, but many of the new players really don’t know what that really means.
So are the new tools for grouping killing the knowledge sharing?
I think this is an interesting concept but only because I started the game when we had very little information available to us to work with. Not that I want to belittle the stuff people are doing know, but we didn’t have the huge amount of resources for strats, gear, rotations and general information.
We used Thottbot and Alkhazam because they were the most up to date and had the most information, and we learnt by trial and error and of course – the longer you play the more information and sites you discover along the journey.
I don’t know LFD or LFR etc are killing the passing down of knowledge, but I think they are killing the sense of community – only because people seem absolutely incapable of being nice or just shutting up. It’s a hard question to answer simply because we have nothing to compare it to. In 40 man days for example, my first raid I didn’t read anything about the bosses – or watch videos – I don’t really remember there being anything to read or watch. I knew the fight from having it explained to me.
When it got to BC, boss starts were everywhere online, and I expected my guildies to read them so I didn’t have to waste raid time explaining them – that of course never happened because someone always turned up unprepared – nothing changes :p. However we also had forums and youtube and so many other ways for people to learn about the fight or the class before stepping into a raid.
It is still the same now – there is so much information out there – some of it contradictory – but overall, there is more information out there then ever before. The problem is new people and lazy people. New people aren’t a “problem” providing they are able to ask for help and do some of their own research. Lazy people are the issue because they can’t be bothered sharing or researching. Instead of offering some constructive feedback or advice you get bombarded with “noob”, “retard”, “10dps sucks”, “kick X person because they can’t tank/heal/dps” etc etc.
Had I not been a raider for the past 6 years and I stepped into an LFR with only my basic experience of getting to 85 and getting enough gear to be in there in the first place, I would have real trouble enjoying raiding because of those people. If my DPS is low, and you happen to play every class in the game with every spec and know everything, then whisper me and ask if I am new and needing some help – don’t publicly make me feel like an idiot for even attempting.
I posted something similar the other day when I got booted out of a group for learning how to play my hunter – people don’t want to share knowledge – they don’t want to be be nice, or be part of a wider community that is not absolutely perfect in every way. Every single person has faults, they have bad days, they have disabilities, they are not as quick – that does not mean you shouldn’t spend the 5 minutes to explain something to them before you go in.
I will say, I think LFR/LFD has made it easier for people to say what they want because you are generally not on the same server as the person you are abusing – however I think the issue of not sharing knowledge has been steadily getting worse each expansion – and is particularly worse when the end of one is looming – I am still not even through DS yet with my guild, so don’t compare my dps with someone who has full heroic gear….and don’t compare my dps to someone who has a different spec to me…..but feel free to ask me if I am doing “x,y,z as my rotation as you may find an increase in your output if you aren’t doing it that way”.
You know, after reading this and the topic I have no idea if I have even put my thoughts down well enough? But I shall leave it here as I am just going to go on and on and on otherwise